This is quite a trip:
Mike Schwab on Mainframe Programming for the State of Illinois
https://logicmag.io/care/mike-schwab-on-mainframe-programming-for-the-state-of-illinois/
“Why did you leave ISP?
Well, that was the asbestos... One person had a four-inch-high conical pile of white powder on their desk every day for about two weeks.”